Thursday, February 5, 2009

"We're Cultured!" Thursdays: Greetings (earthling)


I don't know if anybody else has noticed the discrepancy between the greetings you give certain people in your life. My former Architecture life, my current WAAPA life and all acquaintances NOT within a church- I greet them in a manner of ways. Everyone has a different method of greeting I guess, I extend my hand to everyone when I meet them for the first time, female and male. If they are of a flamboyant nature (in my field, you meet them everywhere) and they lean in for a hug- I reciprocate. If they're used to it or very cosmopolitan and they lean in for a kiss on the cheek- likewise.

So why does it feel very, very odd when somebody IN CHURCH leans in for a hug or a kiss or a hug and a kiss hello/goodbye? Especially if you're not on solid close friend, we-have-an-understanding terms?

In Europe, yes- this is considered normal. Girls kiss girls, girls kiss guys and (perhaps only in France) guys kiss guys hello. Twice, once on each cheek. However, this is not Europe. This is Australia. This is not society, this is church. In many ways therefore, is the dilemma exacerbated. If a guy slaps another guy on the ass as a greeting in church- go discuss that elsewhere. Strictly speaking, this is referring to greetings between girls and guys. There's the invisible line. It's the ingrained knowledge of exactly how far is allowable before you start to get odd looks and then the dreaded "Can I talk to you about something?" conversation with someone higher up in the church hierarchy.

Wave- yes.
Hi-5- yes.
Shake hands- yes.
-------------------------------- <-the line.
Hug- barely tolerable but yes.
Kiss on cheek hello and goodbye- NO.

If I don't kiss people I know from my outside-church life hello, I'm actually considered a little stand-offish. I have that reputation at WAAPA already on account of my "no-touching" attitude that was fostered in a church I'll have you know. Therefore, I completely understand it when some people blur the lines and use it to greet girls/guys from all walks of life and then come under fire for it. It gets noticed far, far more in a church environment. And yes, it does get questioned the moment the departee departs.

"OMG- did he totally just kiss you?"
"Uhhh....I'm not quite sure what happened there."
*Interior monologue*- "SWEET, she just kissed me, I'm so in."
"Did you see that? *cue laughter*

It's yet another area in life and relationships that only turns grey and murky once you infuse it into a church environment. Some couples don't kiss at all until they get married because that action means so much to them. I actually found myself checking a hug with a guy friend that I hadn't seen for a few months- I reached out, he reached out, and then we both stopped and ended up looking rather foolish indeed, all because I was suddenly aware that we were in church and were surrounded by people who didn't usually do that. It's such a small thing but I remember it acutely.

So what's the deal? Should there be disclaimers in church bulletins? "Welcome! We don't greet with kisses here, go to that other heathen church down the road if you want to get your peck on." Maybe we should just be thankful that we don't greet like dogs.

7 comments:

ange said...

i think it could be either of two things: we care too much about our 'image' of being pristine that we get too uptight about it, or perhaps the society's standard is not God's standard.

in the world, not of the world. the likes.


maybe.

Anonymous said...

if u feel like cant even hug a friend in church then something is wrong with your perception of God's grace for you. church is just a bunch of sinners who're a bit more self aware and profess that they need God, if we worry about other sinners judging us then where does it end? we can judge them in return too u know and the vicious cycle continues. but once u have the REVELATION that God's grace is over you, and them too, then why worry? be yourself coz God has accepted you the way you are and now wants to change you slowly in His love and time. ditto for everyone else. so i would love to be in a church full of drug addicts, gamblers, smokers and prostitutes who at least have the humility and self awareness that are able to deal their life's issues by His grace and empowerment. what sets them apart is that they are righteous (made right) by faith. not by works. not by law. but by God's all-accepting grace. i mean we all will still sin right?. are you telling me the auntie's who judge you with their eyes dont sin? yet, let us not judge them becoz they are still working out their issues with Him. so are you and i. so let us leave that for God to deal with... and do invite friends who are 'lost' in god's eyes to experience Him and hug away!

mr 566568

Jeremy said...

i lightly pinch the nippls of guys that I'm close to as a greeting :D

Jimmy &amp; Shona said...

it's an asian thing...go to any aussie church and everyone's got no problem hugging and greeting one another. at Southcity 3 weeks ago i just hugged my senior pastor's wife. SHOCK HORROR! did i just fornicate with her?....course not stupid!

its got nothing to do with being christian or not....it's just an asian thing. us asians grow up with less physical affection tossed around, so we find that a little disconcerting, and BECAUSE it's physical affection we label it as sinning.

us asians really got to take a chill pill IMO. :)

Jeremy said...

narh cna't be an asian thing

the father side of my family is very touchy :D

Anonymous said...

it's an asian thing - cultural.
i hug my workmates - guy/girl, but tend to not hug my asian friends - even my closest girl friend.

i hug at church though - guys/girls, pastor, uncles, aunties...asian/aussie - more aussie culture than asian :)

my asian family hugs ...but more so during xmas/newyear celebration. not normally.
:)

st

Jeremy said...

nope i argue it's not an asian thing but rather a conservative mindset that seems more apparent in "asian" culture simply because we're asian

there are plenty of other non-asian cultures that can be if not more conservative too

i do not doubt there is a correlation between "asianess" and freedom to touch others and what not, but it's not the result of it. It's merely a convenient heuristic that you wrap yourself in to blame rather than recognising that you're the one with the issue and not the "culture"

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