Monday, December 1, 2008

MAN-Day Mondays: The Obscene Truth

Thad writes this week's post and in my opinion, it's frank, honest and completely from the heart. Kudos for writing what a lot of men are thinking (as if I have any basis to say that but oh well).



A few obscene and somewhat scathing opinions I have about men, women and relationships. Read at your own peril.

Sometimes men just don't want to talk. And there's nothing you can do to force them to want to talk. Especially if they have had a particularly tiring/stressful/intense week. We don't have the same process as girls. Talking about issues tends not to help us process. Common processes of guys are: playing sports, playing games, drinking beer, eating meat and watching TV. All you can do is leave them be and let them go through their normal process and they will be fine. Somehow doing these seemingly meaningless things helps us to recharge our batteries and gives us the strength to carry on. It's OK if you don't get it. You don't have to. We don't get why you can spend hours shopping, or in the shower, or... want the toilet seat up down or sideways. Some uninitiated young bucks may make some sort of attempt at getting it. That's OK. We've all been there before. Most of us have come to realise that there are some things that you need to do to make life more bearable and so we accept it.

Some guys are weak. They don't know what they want and they are insecure. So they pander to what girls want. Girls commonly misinterpret this as a high level of love and care. They enjoy this for a while. Some for longer. Depends how into themselves they are. They're soo sweet, they're soo understanding. It gets really boring when you finally realise that he doesn't want everything that you want and love everything that you love because he does, but because he doesn't have a spine. It is at that time also that you realise that you're the one driving and making everything in the relationship work - if you were silly enough to initiate one with him (because he would never be the one who initiates it with you. Sure he might have been the one who told you that he likes you first. But then after that did he do anything about it? No.). Do him a favour and dump him. Immediately. Until he grows some round things downstairs.

Men don't change. At least not in the long term. Sure, he will be on his best behaviour when he's after you. That's not deceptive. That is part of the game. Know that how he is when he's after you is the best that he can ever be and you will never be disappointed. Following from this point, know then that there is absolutely no chance at all that he has the potential to become a someone that you want him to be if he isn't that someone already. If you want to get together with him, then get together with him with your eyes wide open. He. Will. Not. Change. AND. He. Is. Not. Exactly. Who. You. Think. He. Is. If you've got high standards, good. Keep those standards. But ask yourself if you are of a similar sort of standard as to attract someone of that caliber as well. If you're not then you've got work to do on yourself. If you don't want to then you can keep dreaming or you can relax your standards. It's your choice. But don't ever get together with a guy and then try to make him change. Of course if he picks his nose in public or wears t-shirts to weddings that you can enlighten him as to the proper way to conduct himself in public. But if there is something about him that is part of who he is - like if he likes to speak his mind freely or if he values money more than relationships - that's just him. That's part of the package. If you don't like it then break it off. It's unfair to hold on to him and yet not want him for him.

Somehow in modern society there is this notion floating around that men are inadequate and men don't live up to what men should really be, their ordained roles etc. It's true that some men don't. But it's not true in the general sense. Sure, we make mistakes. Who doesn't? The more we live under this belief that men are somehow fundamentally flawed the more we live out this belief and it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. So let's not be apologetic about it. The fact is - people are fundamentally flawed. Men and women. If a man wants to be a better man he should ask a better man. Believe it or not, a man does not exist to make a woman happy. And a woman doesn't exist to make a man happy either. We are responsible for our own happiness. It irks me when a girl laments the lack of good men out there, as if you would need a man to complete you somehow. You don't. Sure it's enjoyable to have someone in your life and to share in the various experiences of it. But I believe you can be perfectly happy and fulfilled with or without a man. Personally I wouldn't want to be with someone just for the sake of being with someone i.e. settling for someone. You're shortchanging yourself and worse still you're shortchanging the other person. He/she deserves to be with someone who thinks that they're the best damned person that you could ever be with.

7 comments:

Beloved said...

Awesome post Thad! Blunt and to the point. But it is true what you say. And agree with everything that's written =D

Anonymous said...

Hey Thad, waikin here. thought provoking post, and provoked me to a response. :)
I didnt find it obscene or scathing but a bit pessimistic in tone.
I guess I don’t think we should not need to justify our perceived bad habits.

Sure we don’t feel like talking sometimes but hey it’s very important to keep communicating. Communication is the foundation of a relationship. Now if you don’t talk but communicate with other means than great, but I think talking is the most effective way. And I don’t think we’re being someone we’re not by talking. I’m sure we know lots of talkative guys. So this generalisation has to go. But yes I agree that girls need to know who they are going out with. If he was the silent type on day one then you know what he’s probably gonna stay the silent type for most of his life, unless God transforms of course. One can put hope and faith in God right?

which leads to your second point that men don’t change. I disagree in faith! I think the thing we missed in this post is that the transformational power of Christ in us enables us to become the great person we were all meant to be. If you were the silent type, may I boldly claim that you can have a voice and speak like you’ve never spoken before because Christ can and will deposit that voice within you. Many silent men have been used by God to be great speakers and orators in this world. God can reverse, magnify, substitute and strengthen our character if we allow Him to.

So I think the better message would be that there is way out for all you guys who think you can’t change or don’t want to or don’t see the need to and start justifying your status quo because that’s the way things are.
Idealistic? I like to think not coz I see bits and pieces of greatness in most of the role model guys I know of. Now if we just allowed God to transform us by His Spirit all things are possible. I mean look at Ben (the guy giving the sermon yesterday) self admitted drug addict and gambler and various other vices that shall not be named, now should Jace (his wife) have accepted him for who he was? Or dump him because he’s a loser? I’m certainly glad that she didn’t give up on the marriage. I mean look at him now!! What a change! WOW! Sure at that time he probably didn’t like talking, loved drinking, and doing all the fleshly manly processes… which I do too ok, it’s not a personal attack but an encouragement that now, we all have something better. We can all follow his example; digging into the richness of God’s transforming Word, becoming wise beyond our years and a super manly man. Seeing that we have so much to learn from this one guy, imagine a generation of guys who get to experience this same transformational process God had planned and whispered to us through the years?

So in conclusion… mostly because this is way longer than a ‘comment’ hahaha…
God is able to add something into a seemingly nothing formula. And yes my twist to your end phrase would be that we all deserve to be with someone who believes 100% in us and in the best ‘us’ we can be in Christ.



waikin is a silent lurker who habitually checks out this great project. keep up the good dialogue ppl!

sodabug said...

methinks that you'll be doing a post of your own soon wk!! THANK YOU for your input =)

Anonymous said...

i actually honestly and truly agree with this post. :D.. haha

well.. men DO change, but i find that it is rare that men change because of women. Probably that's what he's trying to say. :)

I've seen my share of guys and their experiences. They do so many things for their girlfriends just to keep them happy/impress them/show that they love them.

After a while they just can't take it cuz they feel the expectations of them are so high. :S. apparently yeah that's what i've seen. :P

Thad said...

Thanks for the feedback Wai Kin. I can understand where you're coming from. You are absolutely right - we can break our destructive and self-defeating patterns in Christ. For the benefit of some readers who may read what I'm saying the wrong way, I'll clarify some points. Instead of saying men don't change, I should say that men don't change for you (women). And God will transform us more and more into His image, and who he has purposed us to be, for His glory. My point is that we shouldn't try to mould someone into someone that they're not, for our own selfish reasons.

Regarding the point about men not wanting to talk. I don't mean that men don't want to talk all the time. Just sometimes. It doesn't mean we'll never talk about whatever is bothering us, or that we shouldn't. I believe that talking things through with someone who knows us and is able to provide wise input is absolutely vital to our growth and well-being. What I'm trying to say is that when we don't want to talk, then we shouldn't have to. And women shouldn't feel rejected or alienated when we don't talk to them immediately about what is bothering us. Having time alone to process and get things clear in our minds first is an important part of facilitating (I do hate this word but this is one of the occasions where it is actually being used correctly) good communication later on. I deeply agree with what you said about communication being the foundation of a good relationship - I'll take it further and say that honest communication is the key - which means that if you don't feel like talking about things then you should be honest and say that you don't. Again I stress that we will communicate whatever issues are bothering us eventually. We do want to share what we're going through as well.

Finally I can't emphasise more my point that men are not inadequate. Or should I say that men are not any more inadequate than women. We do have bad habits, bad character traits, bad a lot of things. I'm not condoning any of these, but what I am saying is that if you're a man and you have any of these things, you're not any more weird or dysfunctional or sick than anyone else. We all are fallen and we all need God's transformational power. Like Ben. And me. And every single one of us, male or female. I don't think Ben was a loser even from day one. He knew what he wanted - fulfillment of the emptiness that we all feel inside without God. And he went further than most in pursuing that fulfillment. He was desperate and he never stopped looking for it until he found it. I believe that it is the same with every bad habit that we have. It stems from a good God given desire in us that is perverted by our enemy. Like pornography - it stems from the desire in us for intimacy. Or driving fast cars way over the limit - it stems from the desire in us for adventure. I believe that we are fundamentally good. We were made that way. So the key to it isn't changing the behaviour, nor is it changing the underlying desire. It is marrying that right desire to the right life that God wants us to live.

Anonymous said...

high five


wk

Andrew said...

so far this was my fav topic ya'll. :D.. haha. basically cuz this(i believe), is SOSO true. :D.

Sad that few of us change because of women, but still so true. haha

-AnDreW-

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